Comments on: What if the Dark Ages had Never Happened? http://paunce.com/2007/11/03/what-if-the-dark-ages-had-never-happened/ Science, News, Tech and Occassional Comic Relief Tue, 06 Jan 2009 11:01:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: Doug http://paunce.com/2007/11/03/what-if-the-dark-ages-had-never-happened/#comment-18 Doug Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:59:04 +0000 http://paunce.com/2007/11/03/what-if-the-dark-ages-had-never-happened/#comment-18 This graph is not saying that Christianity caused the dark ages; rather that Christianity inhibited scientific advancement then, as it still does today. If you believe in creation you are a dumb fuck. This graph is not saying that Christianity caused the dark ages; rather that Christianity inhibited scientific advancement then, as it still does today.

If you believe in creation you are a dumb fuck.

]]> By: Matt http://paunce.com/2007/11/03/what-if-the-dark-ages-had-never-happened/#comment-17 Matt Fri, 28 Dec 2007 05:59:35 +0000 http://paunce.com/2007/11/03/what-if-the-dark-ages-had-never-happened/#comment-17 Guys ... ITS A JOKE GEEZE Guys … ITS A JOKE GEEZE

]]> By: Dr. Donald B. MacGowan http://paunce.com/2007/11/03/what-if-the-dark-ages-had-never-happened/#comment-14 Dr. Donald B. MacGowan Fri, 28 Dec 2007 05:06:10 +0000 http://paunce.com/2007/11/03/what-if-the-dark-ages-had-never-happened/#comment-14 Man. Never, ever have I seen so much ignorance of history all paraded in one short space before. No, Christianity, per se, did not cause the Christian Dark Ages, however, Roman Catholic Church, in fact, did, in its exercise of the social/political control over the monarchs and peoples of Europe. In many, many ways--read some history, don't just swallow what your priest/pastor/favorite pedophile tells you. Some Junior Einstein above trumpeted his ignorance by saying "...that does not mean that Christianity halted scientific advancements..." Hello? Galileo? Shut down and under house arrest for life? HE wasn't the only one, you know--hundreds of philosophers and (what passed for) scientists were tortured or burned at the stake for heresy, apostasy, blasphemy, witchery, you name it--just for saying n the basis of sound astronomic principle, that the sun revolved around the earth (something the Greeks knew a thousand years before), the earth was round (understood by contemporaneous Norsemen, Persians and proven by Aristotle a thousand years previous), germ theory...you name it--only in Europe, in thrall and under the control of the Roman Catholic Church was science and learning not only discouraged, but punished with death. Whereas math and science flourished in the Islamic world as well as South America. No person who is not entirely ignorant of the history of Western Civilization would, in fact, put the decline and fall of civilization--the Christian Dark Ages--down to any other agency than the Christian Church in Europe--at that time the Roman church. Today the Ignoroids For Christ continue this war on science by trying, however ineptly and stupidly, to turn back the march of Biology, Genetics and Geology by gainsaying the science of evolution. Religious fascists. Jeepers--read something besides bible tracts and romance novels, OK? Man. Never, ever have I seen so much ignorance of history all paraded in one short space before. No, Christianity, per se, did not cause the Christian Dark Ages, however, Roman Catholic Church, in fact, did, in its exercise of the social/political control over the monarchs and peoples of Europe. In many, many ways–read some history, don’t just swallow what your priest/pastor/favorite pedophile tells you.

Some Junior Einstein above trumpeted his ignorance by saying “…that does not mean that Christianity halted scientific advancements…” Hello? Galileo? Shut down and under house arrest for life? HE wasn’t the only one, you know–hundreds of philosophers and (what passed for) scientists were tortured or burned at the stake for heresy, apostasy, blasphemy, witchery, you name it–just for saying n the basis of sound astronomic principle, that the sun revolved around the earth (something the Greeks knew a thousand years before), the earth was round (understood by contemporaneous Norsemen, Persians and proven by Aristotle a thousand years previous), germ theory…you name it–only in Europe, in thrall and under the control of the Roman Catholic Church was science and learning not only discouraged, but punished with death.

Whereas math and science flourished in the Islamic world as well as South America. No person who is not entirely ignorant of the history of Western Civilization would, in fact, put the decline and fall of civilization–the Christian Dark Ages–down to any other agency than the Christian Church in Europe–at that time the Roman church.

Today the Ignoroids For Christ continue this war on science by trying, however ineptly and stupidly, to turn back the march of Biology, Genetics and Geology by gainsaying the science of evolution. Religious fascists.

Jeepers–read something besides bible tracts and romance novels, OK?

]]> By: jacob http://paunce.com/2007/11/03/what-if-the-dark-ages-had-never-happened/#comment-13 jacob Fri, 28 Dec 2007 04:52:45 +0000 http://paunce.com/2007/11/03/what-if-the-dark-ages-had-never-happened/#comment-13 Hey, don't blame the Alien Dinosaur Time-Traveling Secret Agent Pirates from Outer Space. Don't judge a people that you don't know or understand. I am greatly offended at how you treat these great Alien Dinosaur Time-Traveling Secret Agent Pirates from Outer Space who protect our people. I am a Alien Dinosaur Time-Traveling Secret Agent Pirate from Outer Space, for your information, and I am greatly offended. Hey, don’t blame the Alien Dinosaur Time-Traveling Secret Agent Pirates from Outer Space. Don’t judge a people that you don’t know or understand. I am greatly offended at how you treat these great Alien Dinosaur Time-Traveling Secret Agent Pirates from Outer Space who protect our people. I am a Alien Dinosaur Time-Traveling Secret Agent Pirate from Outer Space, for your information, and I am greatly offended.

]]> By: Nuno Lagoa http://paunce.com/2007/11/03/what-if-the-dark-ages-had-never-happened/#comment-20 Nuno Lagoa Fri, 21 Dec 2007 02:50:11 +0000 http://paunce.com/2007/11/03/what-if-the-dark-ages-had-never-happened/#comment-20 There's a whole civilization that hugely influenced western european countries missing: Muslims. It started in the 8th century and started dwindling in the 11th century, all the way to the 15th century. Despite what people may think, those were times of huge intellectual expansion. Cordoba was one of Europe's largest cities if not the largest. Mathematics (Algebra) and Astronomy were greatly developed by their civilization. There’s a whole civilization that hugely influenced western european countries missing: Muslims. It started in the 8th century and started dwindling in the 11th century, all the way to the 15th century.
Despite what people may think, those were times of huge intellectual expansion. Cordoba was one of Europe’s largest cities if not the largest. Mathematics (Algebra) and Astronomy were greatly developed by their civilization.

]]> By: asdf http://paunce.com/2007/11/03/what-if-the-dark-ages-had-never-happened/#comment-19 asdf Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:28:29 +0000 http://paunce.com/2007/11/03/what-if-the-dark-ages-had-never-happened/#comment-19 Harry Potter is SATAN!! Isn't it obvious? The time-travelling dinosaurs are called Reptilians. Just ask anyone who knows. Also, it's the rise of Harry Potter that caused the dark ages--retroactively. It's the literary genius of the devil's word incarnate that brought about the laziness and fall of the Roman empire and the end of the technological advancement. Harry Potter is SATAN!! Harry Potter is SATAN!! Isn’t it obvious? The time-travelling dinosaurs are called Reptilians. Just ask anyone who knows.

Also, it’s the rise of Harry Potter that caused the dark ages–retroactively. It’s the literary genius of the devil’s word incarnate that brought about the laziness and fall of the Roman empire and the end of the technological advancement. Harry Potter is SATAN!!

]]> By: Joey http://paunce.com/2007/11/03/what-if-the-dark-ages-had-never-happened/#comment-16 Joey Wed, 05 Dec 2007 05:39:18 +0000 http://paunce.com/2007/11/03/what-if-the-dark-ages-had-never-happened/#comment-16 I love all these Christians getting offended at the graph! Rofl I love all these Christians getting offended at the graph! Rofl

]]> By: Judah Grupe http://paunce.com/2007/11/03/what-if-the-dark-ages-had-never-happened/#comment-15 Judah Grupe Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:13:31 +0000 http://paunce.com/2007/11/03/what-if-the-dark-ages-had-never-happened/#comment-15 Yeah extremist Christians are a little to much for me to handle too. But that does not mean that Christianity halted scientific advancements. Saying that is just as bad as blaming gay people for failed marriages. That slump in scientific advancements has nothing too do with peoples common beliefs. In fact with you haven't backed anything up on it with any evidence(very unscientific). From the looks of it that spike is around the time when people were discovering the power of steam. Which gave us soo much like railways to make our world a little bit more accesible. Then starting off the industrial revolution, which generated mass amounts of everything. And although there were lots of little kids working for nothing and dying, it still gave a bunch of other kids the chance to go to school and become somewhat educated them selves. The rest is just a big snowball effect into the communication age. The Egyptians, Romans and Greeks all worshiped gods. Much of their culture and scientific developments were in name and accredited to their gods, so how does the Christian god make a difference? Like with any thing in this world, scientific advancements have their ups and downs. Its all waves baby=P Eventually we might see some kind of slump. We could also make a spiritual advancement chart and blame the big decline on science. Saying that, something needs to be done with extremist Christians. So many of them get caught up with being so self righteous that they forget the message of their own religion, peace n love. If any of those extremist nazi's actually read their bible, and listened to Jesus' teachings we wouldn't have all these hateful beings roaming around using God as a way to spread all their ugly hate and pain. Don't retaliate to these groups with hate, it just pushes every one further apart. Instead, treat them with love. It hurts a tainted heart much more anyway. We all have our own beliefs, and we all have the rite too believe in them. In the end you cant really prove shit anyway, everything is just a matter of perception. Love, yeah Yeah extremist Christians are a little to much for me to handle too. But that does not mean that Christianity halted scientific advancements. Saying that is just as bad as blaming gay people for failed marriages.
That slump in scientific advancements has nothing too do with peoples common beliefs. In fact with you haven’t backed anything up on it with any evidence(very unscientific). From the looks of it that spike is around the time when people were discovering the power of steam. Which gave us soo much like railways to make our world a little bit more accesible. Then starting off the industrial revolution, which generated mass amounts of everything. And although there were lots of little kids working for nothing and dying, it still gave a bunch of other kids the chance to go to school and become somewhat educated them selves. The rest is just a big snowball effect into the communication age.
The Egyptians, Romans and Greeks all worshiped gods. Much of their culture and scientific developments were in name and accredited to their gods, so how does the Christian god make a difference?
Like with any thing in this world, scientific advancements have their ups and downs. Its all waves baby=P Eventually we might see some kind of slump. We could also make a spiritual advancement chart and blame the big decline on science.
Saying that, something needs to be done with extremist Christians. So many of them get caught up with being so self righteous that they forget the message of their own religion, peace n love. If any of those extremist nazi’s actually read their bible, and listened to Jesus’ teachings we wouldn’t have all these hateful beings roaming around using God as a way to spread all their ugly hate and pain.

Don’t retaliate to these groups with hate, it just pushes every one further apart. Instead, treat them with love. It hurts a tainted heart much more anyway.

We all have our own beliefs, and we all have the rite too believe in them. In the end you cant really prove shit anyway, everything is just a matter of perception.
Love, yeah

]]> By: Paul http://paunce.com/2007/11/03/what-if-the-dark-ages-had-never-happened/#comment-12 Paul Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:24:44 +0000 http://paunce.com/2007/11/03/what-if-the-dark-ages-had-never-happened/#comment-12 Well, I seem to recall that during this time advancements in mathematics and astronomy were occurring in the Middle East. There was the entire rest of the planet (you know, the not-Europe part) that was not being introduced to Christianity during this era, and it seems to me that is why the creator dubbed it the Christian Dark Ages. Yes, Christian monestaries preserved much of the Roman knowledge, but they actively kept it inaccessible to the general public, breeding mass ignorance. Rome fell due to its own gluttony and a few barbarian tribes who wanted Roman stuff (or were tired of being subjugated by the Romans, however you want to look at it). Well, I seem to recall that during this time advancements in mathematics and astronomy were occurring in the Middle East. There was the entire rest of the planet (you know, the not-Europe part) that was not being introduced to Christianity during this era, and it seems to me that is why the creator dubbed it the Christian Dark Ages. Yes, Christian monestaries preserved much of the Roman knowledge, but they actively kept it inaccessible to the general public, breeding mass ignorance.

Rome fell due to its own gluttony and a few barbarian tribes who wanted Roman stuff (or were tired of being subjugated by the Romans, however you want to look at it).

]]> By: Nick http://paunce.com/2007/11/03/what-if-the-dark-ages-had-never-happened/#comment-11 Nick Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:18:04 +0000 http://paunce.com/2007/11/03/what-if-the-dark-ages-had-never-happened/#comment-11 You can draw a lot of conclusions from a graph like that. If you want to, you could make a point that Muslims are the cause for violence today, or another famous one, that the number of pirates going down causes global warming. A graph can prove and disprove anything you want. As Daniel Herkes and John Raguso said, it was brought on by the collapse of the Roman Empire. Religion is usually spread by bad times, it doesn't cause it. In a time where you live such short, brutal lives, you have to find a way to deal with it, and what is better than knowing that you will go to Heaven after you die for being a good person? You can draw a lot of conclusions from a graph like that. If you want to, you could make a point that Muslims are the cause for violence today, or another famous one, that the number of pirates going down causes global warming. A graph can prove and disprove anything you want. As Daniel Herkes and John Raguso said, it was brought on by the collapse of the Roman Empire. Religion is usually spread by bad times, it doesn’t cause it. In a time where you live such short, brutal lives, you have to find a way to deal with it, and what is better than knowing that you will go to Heaven after you die for being a good person?

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